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Maxine waters 2020?

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15 minutes ago, pilight said:

That's one way Trump could get reelected

Who is Maxine Water?

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I can't imagine her winning the nomination much less the Presidency

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14 hours ago, Patine said:

Who is Maxine Water?

a crazy person. if you had the choice between her and your rob ford you vote for rob ford.

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4 hours ago, Trey-Gowdy2024 said:

If she runs trump will have a Reagan like landslide win 

Alot of people will vote for her just because of her gender and skin color.

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22 minutes ago, Presidentinsertname said:

Alot of people will vote for her just because of her gender and skin color.

So I guess a lot people voted for Trump because they had to have a white President follow the first black President, and couldn't vote for a woman over a man?  This is asinine...

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11 minutes ago, jnewt said:

So I guess a lot people voted for Trump because they had to have a white President follow the first black President, and couldn't vote for a woman over a man?  This is asinine...

I wouldn't have voted for Trump if he was the only on the ballot.

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15 minutes ago, Patine said:

I wouldn't have voted for Trump if he was the only on the ballot.

I believe the least patriotic thing an American can do is not vote, for two reasons:

1) people have died and dedicated their lives so that you can vote, and not voting seems to me like an insult to every one of them

2) not voting out of "protest" appears, to "the system," exactly the same as apathy and thus does not send a message

I don't mean vote for one of the two party candidates, third parties are fine, as long as you vote.

ALL THAT SAID, if Trump was the only one on the ballot I would not vote either. I dislike Waters and would not vote for her if she were running against, say, Marco Rubio, but there is a certain class of politicians (Trump, Cruz, Palin, Paul LePage, Mike Pence, etc.) where they could run against almost anyone* and I would vote for their opponent.

*I would abstain if there was, say, a mass murderer on the ballot. Also, someone like Anthony Weiner would give me pause, but I'd hold my nose and vote for him, most likely, like I would have done with Clinton if I were old enough.

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7 minutes ago, Bruce Fischer said:

I believe the least patriotic thing an American can do is not vote, for several reasons:

1) people have died and dedicated their lives so that you can vote, and not voting seems to me like an insult to every one of them

2) not voting out of "protest" appears, to "the system," exactly the same as apathy and thus does not send a message

ALL THAT SAID, if Trump was the only one on the ballot I would not vote either. I dislike Waters and would not vote for her if she were running against, say, Marco Rubio, but there is a certain class of politicians (Trump, Cruz, Palin, Paul LePage, Mike Pence, etc.) where they could run against almost anyone* and I would vote for their opponent.

*I would abstain if there was, say, a mass murderer on the ballot. Also, someone like Anthony Weiner would give me pause, but I'd hold my nose and vote for him, most likely, like I would have done with Clinton if I were old enough.

In Communist countries in the last days of the Warsaw Pact (Poland, some of the Yugoslav Republics, and the USSR, and even Mongolia were notable for this), the last elections under the control of the Communist Party allowed political opponents to participate and run, but reserved large amounts of seats for uncontested Communist candidates. Mass voting against these uncontested candidates made their mandates of support untenable in events that followed. Protest votes, in large enough numbers, can shake the pillars of otherwise unopposed candidates, historically speaking.

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15 hours ago, Patine said:

Who is Maxine Water?

I will be very nonpartisan despite my disdain for the woman. She is a California Representative who has a way of articulation reminiscent of Sarah Palin. She is very contradictory and controversial, she is very much aligned with Senator Sanders and his Socialist wing of the party.

24 minutes ago, Bruce Fischer said:

I believe the least patriotic thing an American can do is not vote, for two reasons:

1) people have died and dedicated their lives so that you can vote, and not voting seems to me like an insult to every one of them

2) not voting out of "protest" appears, to "the system," exactly the same as apathy and thus does not send a message

I don't mean vote for one of the two party candidates, third parties are fine, as long as you vote.

ALL THAT SAID, if Trump was the only one on the ballot I would not vote either. I dislike Waters and would not vote for her if she were running against, say, Marco Rubio, but there is a certain class of politicians (Trump, Cruz, Palin, Paul LePage, Mike Pence, etc.) where they could run against almost anyone* and I would vote for their opponent.

*I would abstain if there was, say, a mass murderer on the ballot. Also, someone like Anthony Weiner would give me pause, but I'd hold my nose and vote for him, most likely, like I would have done with Clinton if I were old enough.

 

Still vote, maybe write-in, voting is a civic duty.

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19 minutes ago, Bruce Fischer said:

I believe the least patriotic thing an American can do is not vote, for two reasons:

1) people have died and dedicated their lives so that you can vote, and not voting seems to me like an insult to every one of them

2) not voting out of "protest" appears, to "the system," exactly the same as apathy and thus does not send a message

I don't mean vote for one of the two party candidates, third parties are fine, as long as you vote.

ALL THAT SAID, if Trump was the only one on the ballot I would not vote either. I dislike Waters and would not vote for her if she were running against, say, Marco Rubio, but there is a certain class of politicians (Trump, Cruz, Palin, Paul LePage, Mike Pence, etc.) where they could run against almost anyone* and I would vote for their opponent.

*I would abstain if there was, say, a mass murderer on the ballot. Also, someone like Anthony Weiner would give me pause, but I'd hold my nose and vote for him, most likely, like I would have done with Clinton if I were old enough.

Also, in the case of an unopposed candidate (unchallenged for whatever reason) I find completely unacceptable, then saying I am obliged to vote for them out of an obligation and sense of duty for all the sacrifice to secure the freedom and right to vote ends up meaning my right to vote is just strongarmed by that sense of duty and obligation as yet another vote to legitimize the mandate of a candidate I find to be intolerable and thus flies in the face of the meaning of having the right to vote and all the sacrifice for it. That being said, I do strategically vote up here in Canada quite a bit, and I WOULD only skip an election if a horrid candidate were running unopposed (I skipped one Edmonton Mayoral Election for that reason, in fact), but, what I have typed above would justify me skipping such an (notice I had said, "if Trump was the only ballot, I wouldn't vote.") 

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Just now, Reagan04 said:

I will be very nonpartisan despite my disdain for the woman. She is a California Representative who has a way of articulation reminiscent of Sarah Palin. She is very contradictory and controversial, she is very much aligned with Senator Sanders and his Socialist wing of the party.

As a liberal I agree

 

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1 minute ago, Reagan04 said:

I will be very nonpartisan despite my disdain for the woman. She is a California Representative who has a way of articulation reminiscent of Sarah Palin. She is very contradictory and controversial, she is very much aligned with Senator Sanders and his Socialist wing of the party.

You mean Social Democratic wing of the party. I haven't seen any hard Socialists in the U.S. Democratic since MAYBE Huey Long and Henry Wallace. Just my typical pedantry keeping you honest. :P

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8 minutes ago, Patine said:

You mean Social Democratic wing of the party. I haven't seen any hard Socialists in the U.S. Democratic since MAYBE Huey Long and Henry Wallace. Just my typical pedantry keeping you honest. :P

 

I'm being honest, No difference between these Democratic Socialists and real ones like Long and Wallace, just keeping you honest :P It is still Socialism, putting something to a vote doesn't change its content.

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3 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

I'm being honest, No difference between these Democratic Socialists and real ones like Long and Wallace, just keeping you honest :P It is still Socialism, putting something to a vote doesn't change its content.

Not true. Modern Democratic Socialism doesn't just run for election rather that attempt revolutions, they also have adapted to running with the idea of accepting a significant remaining extant free-enterprise structure, just with much more regulation and ONLY nationalizing industries essential to "good governance" (which is not the majority of them). Far more Keynesian in their viewpoint than pure Marxist.

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5 minutes ago, Patine said:

Not true. Modern Democratic Socialism doesn't just run for election rather that attempt revolutions, they also have adapted to running with the idea of accepting a significant remaining extant free-enterprise structure, just with much more regulation and ONLY nationalizing industries essential to "good governance" (which is not the majority of them). Far more Keynesian in their viewpoint than pure Marxist.

 

To be quite honest, when talking about Waters, she is a woman who has called for the nationalization of the Oil Industry and other key parts of the Energy Sector in a Committee hearing. Any nationalizing of key industries is not different from Socialism, and to remind you, I don't take that lightly, I don't shout Commie Commie Commie, no, I am well of the differences of seizing free assets of non-corporate entities. But Rep.Waters has presented herself as one. Oftentimes I find that these Democratic Socialists simply like to say "Hey, vote for me! I am not Capitalist" When in fact they set up a fake "Socialist" ideology anti-strawman. It is contradictory and is used to dupe the American people.

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36 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

To be quite honest, when talking about Waters, she is a woman who has called for the nationalization of the Oil Industry and other key parts of the Energy Sector in a Committee hearing. Any nationalizing of key industries is not different from Socialism, and to remind you, I don't take that lightly, I don't shout Commie Commie Commie, no, I am well of the differences of seizing free assets of non-corporate entities. But Rep.Waters has presented herself as one. Oftentimes I find that these Democratic Socialists simply like to say "Hey, vote for me! I am not Capitalist" When in fact they set up a fake "Socialist" ideology anti-strawman. It is contradictory and is used to dupe the American people.

I believe political leaders using both strawmen and anti-strawmen to dupe the American people in one way or the other are very large in number in both main U.S. Parties, and, in fact, are a majority of both chambers of Congress and one of them is sitting in the White House. This tactic you speak of is HARDLY unique to one specific political camp in the U.S. today, even you have to admit that.

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Just now, Patine said:

I believe political leaders using both strawmen and anti-strawmen to dupe the American people in one way or the other are very large in number in both main U.S. Parties, and, in fact, are a majority of both chambers of Congress and one of them is sitting in the White House. This tactic you speak of is HARDLY unique to one specific political camp in the U.S. today, even you have to admit that.

 

The entire point of that was not in that one word, I didn't say it was just DemSocs, don't try to change the subject to better suit your narrative.

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2 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

The entire point of that was not in that one word, I didn't say it was just DemSocs, don't try to change the subject to better suit your narrative.

Here's a better point. I believe many Americans today (with some exceptions), both those denouncing Socialism and those claiming to support it, don't really understand the political phenomenon of Socialism, and that I think better education about REAL political definitions and meanings would better the whole issue and debate. I was surprised to learn, in fact, that U.S high schools don't teach the political spectrum like they do here in Canada. This is definitely an issue where knowledge would help a lot, and the de-emphasis on American education on political ideology outside of a very narrow viewpoint I don't believe is helping the U.S. political dialogue. This issue proves it right there, where certain politicians can manipulate voters can manipulate voters by claiming to be Socialists when they aren't, and right-wing politicians can successfully demonize opponents by calling them Socialists, when they aren't.

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7 minutes ago, Patine said:

Here's a better point. I believe many Americans today (with some exceptions), both those denouncing Socialism and those claiming to support it, don't really understand the political phenomenon of Socialism, and that I think better education about REAL political definitions and meanings would better the whole issue and debate. I was surprised to learn, in fact, that U.S high schools don't teach the political spectrum like they do here in Canada. This is definitely an issue where knowledge would help a lot, and the de-emphasis on American education on political ideology outside of a very narrow viewpoint I don't believe is helping the U.S. political dialogue. This issue proves it right there, where certain politicians can manipulate voters can manipulate voters by claiming to be Socialists when they aren't, and right-wing politicians can successfully demonize opponents by calling them Socialists, when they aren't.

A huge reason that civics are not taught in schools in the US anymore is because of the horrendous job done by the Department of Education.  All the testing and curriculum requirements make it very hard for local schools to have the flexibility that they need.

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2 minutes ago, jvikings1 said:

A huge reason that civics are not taught in schools in the US anymore is because of the horrendous job done by the Department of Education.  All the testing and curriculum requirements make it very hard for local schools to have the flexibility that they need.

Ah, yes, the old "one failure or one person/group failed, and the project must be abandoned forever, no matter how beneficial it would be," mentality of so many governments. It's a sad, defeatist, sorry, jhondist, and, ultimately, pathetic trait a lot of governments show. :(

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On 5/15/2017 at 7:36 PM, jvikings1 said:

A huge reason that civics are not taught in schools in the US anymore is because of the horrendous job done by the Department of Education.  All the testing and curriculum requirements make it very hard for local schools to have the flexibility that they need.

I learned civics at my school. I don't know if it's because we never adopted Common Core or something else, but Virginia education is very good and is typically ranked very high in national education studies. 

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16 minutes ago, SirLagsalott said:

I learned civics at my school. I don't know if it's because we never adopted Common Core or something else, but Virginia education is very good and is typically ranked very high in national education studies. 

We have American Government class here in Maryland public schools as well...

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